Friday, August 29, 2008

McCain Pro-Life? Pheh!

McCainIt is beginning to amaze me how the Christian electorate will support whoever the establishment tells them to. All the establishment candidates need to do is say the pro-life platitudes "Life begins at conception." or other phrases like "Marriage is a union between a man and a woman." and Christians begin cheering for the shill candidate and blindly support them.

Thus has been the case with the Christian electorate's new found enthusiasm for John McCain. What has been John McCain and the Neo-Con's record on this issue? Every year Ron Paul submits his sanctity of life bill to congress and every year it sits rejected. Need we be reminded from 2000 to 2006 the "conservative pro-lifers" controlled both the Congressional and the Executive branches of the federal government? Last I checked 2/3 of government was a majority, they could have over ridden the Supreme court's unconstitutional Roe v Wade position through the legislative and executive branches if they really wanted to. They didn't.

More specifically John McCain never supported Paul's sanctity of life bill, nor did he propose anything akin to that in the Senate. Now Christians are starting to fall in line and convince themselves McCain is pro-life, this is the same guy who spoke of bombing Iran as a joke. The more grievous part is that people think it is funny.

So when I hear these guys pandering to Christians with the same tired promises of "Justices who are pro-life" it falls on deaf ears. They were in positions to act and they have done nothing, these promises of future Justice appointees is like the proverbial carrot in front of the stupid donkey to keep him going where the driver desires.

The donkey never gets the carrot. Nor shall we see Roe v. Wade overturned without a second American revolution.

It's like the Democrats in congress who keep voting for war funding yet position themselves Oh the HORROR! I have 2 choices and can't pick!for the dupes who vote for them as being "anti-war". Ultimately, it is the Left-Right, Democrat vs. Republican false paradigm that needs to be shattered. Both parties are controlled and it's an illusion of actual choice put out to the American people to keep them thinking that they have a say in who rules them. We don't.

With the two party Council on Foreign Relations controlled candidates we really get the worst of both worlds. Republicans claim to be pro-life but just can't remedy the ghastly eugenics (abortion) laws because of the lefties. On the other side the Democrats claim to defend human rights but they just can't seem to stop the executive branch from torturing those goat herders we have in our semi-secret facility in Cuba.

The Epic battle between good and evil continues...It's designed that way. It's not going to get any better. We are psy-opted into the left right paradigm blaming the woes on the opposite party while remaining hopeful for the day when the good guys (our party) will be able to get things done...and finally end the war...stop abortion...stop torture...end warrantless wiretapping...repeal the patriot act...allow drilling...etc...etc...

In case you are wondering in this election we have a choice between Council on Foreign Relations team A and CFR team B. John McCain and Joe Biden are both members of the elitist David Rockefeller run group. Like Dick Cheney, Condelezza Rice, Bill Clinton, George Bush the older, the list can go on... The point is that no matter who wins the CFR gets their boys in.

Again, the false Left v. Right paradigm has captivated the electorate and constantly serves as a justification for the countless and continually growing unsavory practices and legislation coming from Washington. So that whenever some screw job happens to the American people half of them can contentedly say, "It's the Democrats again!"

Or on the flip side when we decide to bomb some other 3rd world country, which we armed a decade ago and installed the dictator, half of the country can say "Those Neo-Cons!"

In reality they are on the same team, corporate America. There is no difference between McCain and Obama, they are both the establishments candidates. Ron Paul describes this rather well in this recent interview:

Well enough wailing from me, this all comes as way of introduction to an article from News With Views by presidential candidate (there are more than 2 you don't have to choose the evil of two lessors) Chuck Baldwin. Baldwin is a real conservative, you know the kind that believe in small federal government, like the Constitution. Baldwin also is a Christian pastor, I highly recommend his article that addresses the new found "conservatism" of John the "Maverick" McCain, and how Christians are really trapped by this Zeitgeist the media keeps feeding us.

Much of what I have said is by way of reiteration and hearty AMEN to the article Dr. Baldwin wrote on McCain's "pro-life" position.

The article can be read by clicking here.

Also, I would point anyone interested to Chuck Baldwin's campaign web page, you can read where he stands on the real issues, (monetary reform, the North American Union, foreign policy, funding of the UN, and many others) the issues the mainstream media doesn't talk about in any depth. His page is here.

Wednesday, August 27, 2008

Media Spin On Russia/Georgia Conflict II

This video addresses the propaganda/spin job taking place on the Russia Georgia conflict in the mainstream media. Again, the vast majority of stories make the Russians appear to be the aggressors rather than the U.S./Isreali backed Georgian government.

BTW I still intend to pick up on my Revival series, I simply haven't had time at the end of summer. Now that school has started again I should be able to have a bit more free time to blog.

Sunday, August 17, 2008

The Georgia Conflict and Media Spin

If you have been paying attention at all to the news coverage surrounding the current conflict in Georgia you will notice a few things.

Firstly, the news primarily has made the conflict appear to be due to Russian aggression and bloodlust. The coverage has almost entirely focused upon Russia as the main perpetrator of aggression in the conflict. This simply isn't the case as it was Georgia that performed a sneak attack into the Ossetia region (primarily ethnic Russian) trying to reclaim it. Simply put Georgia started it.

Secondly, the odd thing about all of this is the hypocritical talk flowing out of Washington about how the Russians are being bullies and attacking countries seemingly unprovoked. This talk is akin to a murderer scolding a thief and claiming moral high ground.

It almost seems to me as though they are intentionally fomenting hostilities between Russia and the US, with the missile battery in Poland, and all of these former Soviet states now trying to join NATO thumbing their nose and even threatening Russia (like Ukraine).

Also it was the US and Israel that were training Georgia's army prior to Georgia's sneak attack into S Ossetia.

Lastly, to further attest to the intentionality of this provocation is a 2001 Tom Clancey video game that has this exact scenario for it's plot, conflict in former Soviet states, Georgia is named, and the future year of the 2001 game...the year 2008. Here's the 2001 commercial for the game "Ghost Recon":

Kinda creepy huh? Just a lucky guess I suppose...

Friday, August 08, 2008

Wrapping The Debate Up...

Let Your Conscience Be Your GuideI have recently been in a small debate with a fellow named Preston over the opposing views of Open Theism and Calvinism. I will try to wrap up what I see to be the main points of the debate in a concise manner.

Oddly enough the debate ended up being primarily on the issue of authority in doctrine, or what is authoritative in doctrine. Preston wants to say that in addition to Scripture men's consciences and natural law are guides God has given us to know His character and even doctrinal teachings such as election.

I am reminded of Jiminy Cricket's exhortation to Pinocchio "Let your conscience be your guide!". Unfortunately, Pinocchio's conscience failed him and he ended up with a rather disfigured nose and in need of plastic surgery.

The same is true of us, while it is true men have been equipped with a conscience by virtue of the image of God in them, what Preston overlooks is the effects of the fall. That really is the point of Romans 1, though men have knowledge of God they suppress this knowledge and chase after passions and even are so delusional as to make gods according to their seared consciences.

We read repeatedly in the New testament of the condition of fallen man and how not only his soul needs renewal but his intellect. (Eph 4:17-18, 23) I would say with Anselm that if you think that there is some safe haven in man that is reliable and can be a sure guide to truth, if you believe that, then you have not yet come to know the depths of your sin.

I think that the very passage Preston would like to take refuge under to justify his extra-biblical doctrines (that is what's going on, like Rome he seems to want to unblushingly say that it is the Bible plus...)is the very passage which anathematizes Open Theism. For in v.22-25 of Romans 1 we read:

"Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen."

What do you say about a theological system that says God can not know the future other than that system has made God likened unto a man. What do you say about a system that elevates the alleged free will of man to such a height that in order to preserve it that system sees fit to dissolve God Almighty of attributes, what do you say other than that it is serving the creature rather than the Creator.

The main issue I see really comes back to authority, the axe must be laid to the root of the tree and this I see as the root. The logic of open theism proceeds as follows:

1. We know (via conscience/natural law) that man has free will.

2. We know (via conscience/natural law) that God desires man to have free choice. (the old robot/love analogy is usually invoked to "prove" this)

3. We know (via conscience/natural law) that for God to know the choices of men ahead of time would undermine men's freedom of choice.

:.\C. Therefore we know that God must have limited himself and does not know the future choices, but is also and agent in causality.

Do you see how none of the premises that lead to the conclusion have any root in the Bible? I am sure Preston would bicker about this formalization of his beliefs, that's fine, I am more than welcome for him to present his position in logical format. In either case and he admitted it himself, an authority outside of scripture is invoked to lead to the conclusion of a god who doesn't know the future.

That I believe to be the very essence of the debate, it is one about authority and presuppositions. I presuppose that the Bible in all of it's entirety illuminated by the Spirit of God is the only sure foundation for sound doctrine, knowledge of God and His work of salvation.

I therefore stand with the reformers on the doctrine of sola scriptura, which by the way for our Papist friends IS Biblical: "To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn." (Isa 8:20)

Before I end I do want to say that there was one point Preston made that I think hasn't been said enough, and that is that Open Theism is the logical outcome of Arminianism. I think he is absolutely spot on in this and I have been saying this for some time. It is interesting to hear an OT professor acknowledge this.

We may continue the debate if desired, however I will be moving on to my intended series on the marks of a move of the Spirit of God in future posts. Thanks for the talk Preston, you are more than welcome to throw your input in at anytime.

Thursday, August 07, 2008

The Man Who Ran Brett Favre Out of Green Bay

Take a good look at this fellow, he is the primary reason why Brett Favre is now playing for the New York Jets. Yes, yes, I know Brett retired. But we all thought there was a chance he would wan to play as the season approached. Apparently such a thought never occured to the management in Green Bay, and Favre was no longer welcome. Not to dwell too much on sports I just thought I'd throw this out there.
Thanks a lot Mr. Thompson, you really displayed how to treat the single most iconic player the Green Bay Packers ever had by running him out of town in your fit of avarice and thirst for self glory.

Saturday, August 02, 2008

Response To an Open Theist

The following is my reply to "Preston" who commented on the post on the need to reform in the Church. His criticism was lengthy as was my reply, I feel that it hits on much of the center of the Open Theist controversy as well as many of the popular objections to Reformed theology. That said, I figured I would make a post of my reply. Preston's original comment can be read in it's entirety in the comment section of the post "The Need for Reform or The Pelagian Captivity of the Church".

Here's my reply, Preston's words in blue:


Thanks for your comments, I am very welcome to criticism and debate and do not "moderate" people like some blogs do so that no one can criticize them. So thanks for coming by and feel free to add what you wish to the discussions over here.

As for what you have said, you make the common error in viewing God's predestination and man's responsibility. You assume that one can not have both in a theological system. That really is what you are saying, either predestination and foreordination of an all knowing God, OR we can have responsible moral agents.

This my friend is the definition of a false dichotomy fallacy and is why you are an open theist. Let me quote you so it is clear, you commit this fallacy as you write:

"I find Calvinist such as yourself very entertaining. On one hand you write a post asking what's up with all this Pelagianism in the church and that something needs to be done about it. OK then sir put your theology where your mouth is - stop blithering about it in a public forum and start confronting the one who is really responsible for all this - GOD!! Since man is unable to do anything from a freewill standpoint , but is predestined or foreordained to do everything then God is the person you need to take issue with."

So because God has foreordained events and predestined individuals to be in his Bride (Eph 1:3-4), YOU make the conclusion that therefore man has no responsibility and therefore I should not treat them as such. This is a false dichotomy, and is the one of the major planks in open theism.

You assert that a Sovereign, All knowing, Predestinating God can NOT exist alongside free, moral agents who are responsible for their choices. That is the false dichotomy.

Scripture says otherwise, God is both Sovereign over men's salvation so that none come to Christ but by His drawing and ALL whom He draws will come to Christ and be saved, and man is responsible for his choices. Let's exegete John 6 to prove this:

" All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:37-40)

"ALL" v.37 is a universal clause, meaning everyone, and is often meaning everyone of a particular group. In this case ALL refers to those the Father has given to Christ. Do you see that? "All" is both universal and particular in it's scope. So logically it could be read: "ALL X's come to Jesus and are raised to the resurrection of life"

X meaning those given to Jesus by the father. So if someone is given to Jesus by the father that person comes to Jesus, and will be raised up at the last day. And not only that if that is true Jesus says He will not lose those whom the Father has given Him. (they wont fall away) But will believe unto life eternal. That's what the text says.

This is a brief exegesis however my point is twofold here, 1. I didn't get this sovereign predestination view of God from pagan philosophic ideas, I got it from the Bible, that's what John 6 says. 2. Also, I wanted to show that well God has given some people to Jesus, and it is they ALL of them who come and believe, Christ says He will lose NONE of them but raise up ALL of them at the last day. Again, that's just what it says.

That being the case I don't think you and I would disagree that there is a hell. Assuming what I have said above either God is unjust in damning those people, or there is no injustice on God's part at all, and all the damned are morally responsible.

That being the case I am both commanded to exhort people to sound doctrine (Tit 2:2-5), and to win souls (Matt 28). There is no inconsistency here, I am not privy to who the elect are, all I know is that no one comes to Christ but by God's sovereign regenerating grace.

Heretics are responsible for their false teaching and will be judged by God. And yes you are correct I certainly believe that heretics repent of their error by the merciful grace of God. That's what Paul says to Timothy:

"And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will." (2 Tim 2:24-26)

That is why I am prayerful in evangelism and apologetics, only God can open the eyes of the sinner. There is no inconsistency with God's sovereign heart changing work and my responsibility to preach. Heretics don't all of a sudden wise up of their own accord and cling to sound doctrine (that would be a work would it not?), it is by grace that they return to sound teaching. At least that's what Paul the inspired apostle taught.

As for those God has not chosen and leaves in their error, and their moral responsibility:

These individuals are still responsible for their sin even though God has seen fit to pass them by. It is His prerogative to select who shall be His bride, or to even have a bride from sinners at all. God would have been just to damn the whole lot of us, but in His mercy He has chosen to save some.

Now it honestly took me thus far to do what I see as a fair reply to the ideas loaded in your first paragraph which I quoted. I have spent this much time on it because you repeat yourself and this is the heart of your error.

But I will briefly address the rest of what you said now:

"If you truly adhered to predestination then you would realize that its God fault for all this and not any one else."

How is God at fault that men and women hate Him? It is just silly to me that people always say this stuff. He doesn't actively "MAKE" people unbelievers/haters, that's just what the natural man is and does. If He in His predestination leaves some in this state to be damned for their rebellion why is He at fault?

You confuse Calvinism with determinism, a common straw man, and pound away at this scare crow you have erected in your backyard with "Calvinism" written on it's shirt. You thrash and punch at this Straw man while the real Calvinists are looking over the fence into your yard wondering when you will wear yourself out and come talk with them over a pint of ale and figure out what we are really saying.

So let me make this clear, God's predestination of the damned is not active, it is passive, He leaves them to their free wills, and they always choose sin and God rejecting idolatry. They are entirely to blame.

"But alas there is the rub! In your own mind you believe that man DOES have a choice and does have a freewill - if you didn't then why all this complaining! You seem to act as if we have a choice here - but according to your theology we really don't!"

How you do lash out at that scarecrow! Next time I suggest a kick to the groin! No Reformed theologian says we don't have a choice. What we say is that left to ourselves in our sinful state held under the sway of the wicked one (Eph 2:1-3) no one ever chooses God. They will always choose sin, in that sense men are bound.

No one ever complains, "I want to believe in Jesus but God won't let me!" The unregenerate want nothing to do with Christ, at least the Jesus of the Bible. The problem is the heart not so much will power. It is only by grace that we find an interest in Jesus at all.

"The issue the rest of us have with Calvinism is that your theology DOES makes God out to be a Monster because God is somehow more concerned with his power and Sovereignty than about love."

Perhaps your idea of love. I find it the most loving thing that God has in His mercy had a plan to glorify Himself in the saving of sinners through King Jesus.

And yes sir it is all about HIS GLORY, He's the center of it all, your speech betrays your man centeredness. If God is God, and He is the definition of perfection (Oh wait you don't believe that God is perfect...your an open theist) but anyway if He is the definition of perfection, beauty, Goodness, Holiness it would be an injustice for Him not to seek His own glory. We give crowns to beauty queens, trophies to athletes, praise to just rulers is not God all of these things to the ultimate and therefore deserving of the ultimate glory not to be shared with another?

The marvelous thing is that in seeking His own glory He is loving sinners and saving them. Things angels desire to look into. I recommend "God's Passion For His Glory" by John Piper, in it he has the full text of Jonathan Edwards' "The End for Which God Created the World" In it he argues that God does everything for one purpose His glory. This makes the man centered cring and the God entranced stand in awe.

Now here's the real rub (why is everyone so fond of that phrase anyway?):

"You see the issue most people have is that Calvinism grossly violates man's God given sense of natural law or right reason! Whenever this is violated then this is a good sign something is NOT truth, but a lie - i.e. Calvinism!"

And you want to say I lean on pagan philosophy?! Natural law? Pheh!

This was and is my point with open theists, you erect laws of what God can and can't do and make God altogether to your liking. When I come along and start quoting chapters like John 6, Eph 2, Romans 9, you have to reach for the panic button and start whipping out some "laws" that God is bound to that you guys just made up. Do tell sir what are some of these natural laws that God can not violate?

Now I really don't know what to make of this:

"Why do Calvinist have a problem with God setting aside his knowledge or power so that he may LOVE or better yet allow man to love Him! God is not some power hungry deity - as Calvin made him out to be. Besides, who made the rule or where is it found in the bible that if God is not TOTALLY in control he is somehow not God......let me clue you in there isnt!"

We have a problem with God setting aside His knowledge because it is not Biblical, where does the Bible say God set aside His foreknowledge in order that we could have as you see it "true free choice"? Quite the contrary we see the authors of the Bible often speeking of God's foreknowledge (ex 1 Pet 1:2).

As for God being in control, and if He is not in control He is not God, yes that is very much Biblical. That's why the true God was able to manifest signs and wonders when the worshippers of Baal could not, He was in control. That's why the true God brought rain when Baal could not. Christ commanded the wind and waves, feeds 5000, puts to death death in His death so that we might never die.

It is a distinguishing mark of God the one true God that He is sovereign, it is what sets Him apart from the false time and time again in the Bible. Also the Bible repeatedly attests to God's sovereignty:

"all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, "What have you done?" (Dan 4:35)"

God is sovereign over men's physical frames:

"Then the LORD said to him, "Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the LORD?" (Ex 4:11)

Now I could go on citing texts but this is becoming a post in itself so lets finish the rest of the response, as for Calvin, I would suggest actually reading his works before smearing his name. You further state:

"Open Theism is not a Pagan philosophy - but rather predestination and original sin are. The seed of paganism Calvinism has its roots from is Augustine. Prior to him, the only place most of the 5 points of Calvinism were found were in Gnosticism and Pagan philosophy."

I just can't believe that in a post where you cite no Bible, you fall back on the so called "laws of nature" that you have the gall to say that I am the one leaning on the legs of pagan thought. It's amazing how ridiculous we can be. I would suggest you start drinking from the wells of men outside of Bob Enyart and your cliche up there in Denver. Read some Spurgeon, you don't need to be a Calvinist to appreciate his stuff.

As for Augustine, again this displays your ignorance and regurgitation of nonsense being fed to you by men who themselves haven't done their homework. The 5 points of Calvinism were formed in reply to the Arminian 5 points in the remonstrance, Calvin and Augustine knew nothing of TULIP. It's just a helpful acronym to summarize a much broader Doctrine of God and soteriology.

Furthermore, you dont say HOW Augustine was pagan, you just say it, cause you don't like what he represents (I say represents rather than says because you probably never read City of God or his Confessions). You just say these things and think that makes them so without any real reference, kind of like this next statement:

"As for making God play by "Our Rules" is a fallacy. If God desires relationship with his creation - like any good parent would want to do - then don't you think it would be a good idea on God's part to make sure we have the ability to understand him? Instead with Calvinism we have God playing some twisted form of "Cosmic Peakaboo" with us?"

Fallacy? What fallacy would that be?

I argue that you open theists make up unbiblical rules (which you cited in these "natural laws"), and then from there you reject descriptions of God that are Biblical and shave off attributes so God plays by these rules you made up.

The amazing thing is that in the sentence I just quoted you do the very thing I argued that you do, and to which you are attempting to reply. You define "Good parent" and say God to be a "good parent" must act in manners x, y, and z. Therefore no predestination, sorry John 6. If that's not fitting God into the mold of your man made rules I don't know what is.

Again God is not obliged to do any such thing as you have described. He is not bound by any of the shackles with which you would hold Him with. As C.S. Lewis put it, "He is not a tame Lion". He would be perfectly just to have made us let us fall and never had any more interaction with us. You have no right to call this "unloving" (an amorphous word) that's like a thief who broke into my home beat my children, assaulted my wife calling me "unloving" when I decide to point a gun at him. It is called justice. Last I checked God wasn't obliged to love people who rebel against Him and hate Him But GOD (Eph 2:4) out of His mercy and grace, He has done just that.

You see you really don't know the depths of your sin, and therefore you don't know the greatness of God's grace. You seem to see grace as something God is obliged to give by some rules He has to follow. This is the very antithesis of the definition of grace.

You are right that the Bible is evidence that God wants us to know Him, my point is that unlike you I see the Bible as a merciful gift not something God was obliged to bestow to keep in accord with the definition of "good" that exists outside of Himself.

Also in the paragraph you seem to take a rather heretical view of the incarnation of Christ, shaving off Christ's divine attributes.

I am just blown away by this next statement because of it's clear contradiction with scripture:

Furthermore, when Christ spoke to people he did so by how??? Through parables - WHY? By appealing to man's sense of right reason, through his God given sense of natural law. The very reason Jesus' could not be refuted was that he was logically consistent and thus appealed to "the rules" as you so aptly put it!"

Actually when we turn to Scripture we see Jesus tell us WHY He spoke in parables:

"he said, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that 'seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.'" (Lk 8:10)

Well would you look at that, Jesus seems to say that there are certain people (the elect) to whom the secrets of the kingdom are given the rest are left in the dark and without understanding. As for Jesus appealing to "the rules" I have no idea what you are talking about, if you mean love your neighbor and stuff like that, yes He did appeal to that, but that is the Old Testament revealed word of God, not some natural rules you keep alluding to.

These "Natural Rules" are nothing more than the ideas of the humanistic spirit of the age that has been smuggled into Christian theology resulting in one false teaching after another. The paragraph I just quoted from you with all of it's refrences to "reason" has more to do with the enlightenment ideals than the reformation. Open theism really is a form of Deism (the teachings of Deism and OT are strikingly similar), the difference is OT is just upgraded into a more feel good modern consumeristic package.

Well we are at the end so lets just quote the last paragraph and be done with this gauntlet:

"Besides, sir you are so severly blinded by Calvinsim that my rambling here will do little to prick your mind or your heart about what you have said about Open Theist or the so called heresy of Pelgianism (whatever that means). Good luck in your search for Truth - I just hope God manipulates your brain to find it."

The ghost of John Calvin has pulled the wool over my eyes, and as you accuratly put it your rambling is no longer effectual. How shall I ever be free from this view of God entranced vision of all things!

Woe is me, for I am no longer a humanist! We don't haver seeker sensetive churches, because we know that no one seeks God (Rom 3:10) the only One who does the seeking is Christ, who came to seek and save the lost (Lk 19:10)...Woe! Woe! Woe to us!

In all seriousness, it has been by God's mercy that I came to these truths, I was an Arminian at one time and wrestled with the issues of the problem of evil and flirted with open theism. I rejected it because it wasn't Biblical.

I just find it blasphemous that you speak so scathingly about God's eye opening grace to people.

To close I do want to ask you a few of questions:

1. What does God know given your view? (Back this up with Scripture)

2. How does God govern the events of the world? (Cite Scripture)

3. What does God do if anything in order to save a sinner?

4. How do you interpret John 6? (If it doesn’t' mean what I said then what DOES it mean?)

Friday, August 01, 2008

Worship or Irreverence?

This video seems to illustrate what I was talking about in my previous post, about the radical man centeredness pervading evangelicalism. I see this as nothing short of taking Christ's name in vain and making light of His person. But then again I will be called a stick in the mud and have buckets of "Don't Quench the Spirit" heaped on me.

My criticism has nothing to do with style of music but rather slapping the name of Jesus into a crummy pop song from the 80's. This has nothing to do with exalting Christ and everything to do with people stomping their feet and having a good FUN (the most popular adjective in evangelicalism today) time.

The video is by a "worship leader" Rick Pino, obviously charismatic and the link can be found here. (since the video probably wont work on this page...sigh)

BTW, hat tip to the guys at the Fide-O blog, they are the ones from whom I came in contact with this video.