Monday, September 18, 2006

Muslim Outrage Over Pope's Statement

I wouldn't even have known about this had not the other day an Atheist Richard Dawkins comment asking for my feedback on what the pope said which has the Muslims infuriated. After reading the offensive excerpt I really found that I agree with what was said by the pope (even though I am strongly protestant), Islam is without question an extremely violent religion it was founded upon violence and in its holy books it positively preaches violence particularly against the Jewish people (For a good write up on the pope's comments check out What James White at Alpha and Omega wrote). Now I was commenting to my wife about this situation and how many were calling for the pope to apologize for his "offensive statement", and I said you know why they are calling for the pope to apologize right? It's because the Muslims are going to get violent (and only validate the pope's charge)." Sadly, what I said has already come to pass, a nun was killed in retaliation to the pope's statements about Islam's violence for a BBC article on her death click here. I found out about this through Centurion's blog, I don't want to note this woman's death as a mere "Yep that's what I said was gonna happen..." but rather to just ask: what would be a responsible way of handling the rising problem of Islamic violence not only as western citizens but as Christians? I really don't have any answers.

The ABC news reports:
"In Iran, supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei used the comments to call for protests against the United States. He argued that while the pope may have been deceived into making his remarks, the words give the West an "excuse for suppressing Muslims" by depicting them as terrorists.
[Now note the double speak as he goes on to say...]
"Those who benefit from the pope's comments and drive their own arrogant policies should be targeted with attacks and protests," he said, referring to the United States."

When I read statements like this one thing is clear, we are not dealing with rational people who are sincerely interested in peace, that's just the PC talk guys like Ayatola have adopted. So how do we as westerners react to this growing situation?

11 comments:

Seven Star Hand said...

Hello Bob and all,

The straw that breaks the camel's back always follows the results of earlier deeds.

The Pope's choice of words was brain dead, in my humble opinion, if he was seeking to spread peace. He could have appealed for cooler heads and humility from all sides using any other words, but instead he chose to quote Crusade era hypocrisy that was guaranteed to inflame Muslims. Now we see the backtracking and spinning that always follows the gaffes of those afraid of simply telling the truth.

More proof that religion is the opposite of truth, wisdom, and justice

The "infallible" Grand Inquisitor (the pot) sought to lecture Islam (the kettle) about spreading religion through dark deeds by quoting a Dark Ages text while the USA and Europe are in the midst of the Neo-Crusades. The irony and absurdity in this situation is amazing, to say the least. It evidences both the fallacy and fallibility of those who vainly and arrogantly pretend to serve the Creator.

Dear Pope, ever heard of Karma or the golden rule? Ever stop to remember how the Vatican and western nations became so rich and powerful over the centuries? Ever consider giving up your blood drenched wealth and earthly power to end the blatant hypocrisy of your vane, materialistic, and duplicitous empire? Ever think of forgoing your peacock's robes to walk the walk instead of simply talking the talk? Remember the "eye of the needle" and "log and mote in the eye" parables? Is this a demonstration of your infallibility, wisdom, or utter blindness? As another wise one once said; What goes around comes around!

The West has killed far more Muslims (and other dark skins) than they have killed westerners, yet our press and leaders can only see Muslim and "third world" desperation in the face of western military and economic dominance and oppression, (in the name of God and country, by the way), as sources of evil in this world.

Guess what guys and girls, war, violence, and injustice are evil, no matter what the excuse or cause or who is doing it to whom. Anyone who thinks the Creator would judge religion, war, or any other profiteering at the expense of others as wise or acceptable activities has a very big surprise in store.

Here is Wisdom!!
...and here too...

Bob said...

SSH-
Nice statements, did you even read what I wrote? My point was that the muslim reaction to what the Pope said (killing a nun in a children's hospital) only justifies the Pope's words. Now I don't know where you are getting these numbers of which religion killed the most people but irregardless that is irrelevant. I can look at Christian behaviour through history and say that it was wrong. I can do that because Christ never gave a command to kill people by the sword to spread His message like Muhammad did.

Anyway, I am curious about your worldview SSH, you seem to believe in a God of some sort but are pretty heavy handed against every religion it seems on your blogs. I don't know if you are going to read this comment or if you wrote up the statement you put in my comment section and just pasted it on whatever blog addressed the Pope's statement without even reading what the blog writer wrot (I have a feeling the latter is the case).

But if you are reading this I just ask what is your standard of truth? How do you know the nature and Character of God? How do you know you are not worshipping a false God, or one you just made up?

Bob said...

Do you really think you are some sort of Messiah?

natamllc said...

Bobby

wow again.

You are on a crusade, don't forget the babies!

Here's some pondering thought:::>

Luk 12:49 I came to hurl fire into the earth, and what will I if it already has been lit?
Luk 12:50 But I have a baptism to be immersed in, and how am I pressed until it is done!
Luk 12:51 Do you think that I came to give peace in the earth? No, I say to you, But rather division.


And I will post again what I posted for Mr. Dawkins:::>

Mat 5:13 You are the salt of the earth, but if the salt becomes tasteless, with what shall it be salted? For it has strength for nothing any more but to be thrown out and to be trampled under by men.

And let's not forget even older writings like this:::>

Psa 2:1 Why have the nations raged and the peoples are meditating on vanity?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves; yea, the rulers have plotted together against Jehovah and His Anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 We will break their bands in two, and throw off their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; the Lord shall mock at them.
Psa 2:5 Then He will speak to them in His anger, and He will terrify them in His wrath;
Psa 2:6 Yea, I have set My king on My holy mount on Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare concerning the statute of Jehovah: He said to Me, You are My Son. Today I have begotten You.
Psa 2:8 Ask of Me, and I will give the nations as Your inheritance; and the uttermost parts of the earth as Your possession.
Psa 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Now, then, be wise, O kings; be taught, O judges of the earth:
Psa 2:11 Serve Jehovah with fear; yea, rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Oh the blessings of all those who flee to Him for refuge!

and

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. A declaration of Jehovah to my Lord: Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.
Psa 110:2 Jehovah shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion to rule in the midst of Your enemies.
Psa 110:3 Your people shall have willingness in the day of Your might; in the majesties of holiness; from the womb of the dawn, to You is the dew of Your youth.
Psa 110:4 Jehovah has sworn and will not repent: You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.
Psa 110:5 The Lord at Your right hand shatters kings in the day of His anger.
Psa 110:6 He shall judge among the nations; He shall fill with dead bodies; He shall shatter heads over much land.
Psa 110:7 He shall drink out of the torrent on the way; therefore, He shall lift up the head.

and again

Psa 119:130 The entering of Your Word gives light, giving discernment to the simple.

and some more

Psa 149:1 Praise Jehovah! Sing to Jehovah a new song, His praise in the assembly of the saints.
Psa 149:2 Let Israel rejoice in his Maker; let the sons of Zion be joyful in their King.
Psa 149:3 Let them praise His name in the dance; let them sing praise to Him with the timbrel and lyre.
Psa 149:4 For Jehovah takes pleasure in His people; He beautifies the meek with salvation.
Psa 149:5 Let the saints be joyful in glory; let them sing aloud on their beds.
Psa 149:6 Let the exaltation of God be in their throat, and a two-edged sword in their hand,
Psa 149:7 to execute vengeance on the nations, punishment on the peoples;
Psa 149:8 to bind their kings with chains and their nobles with iron bands;
Psa 149:9 to execute on them the judgment written; this is an honor for all His saints. Praise Jehovah!

The Lord cannot lie.

He said this:::>Mat 24:21 For there will be great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days were shortened, not any flesh would be saved. But on account of the elect, those days will be shortened.


Paul said it this way:::>

2Ti 3:1 But know this, that in the last days grievous times will be upon us.
2Ti 3:2 For men will be lovers of themselves, money-lovers, braggarts, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 without natural feeling, unyielding, slanderers, without self-control, savage, haters of good,
2Ti 3:4 betrayers, reckless, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Ti 3:5 having a form of godliness, but denying the power of it; even turn away from these.
2Ti 3:6 For of these are those creeping into houses and leading silly women captive, the ones having been heaped with sins, being led away by various lusts,
2Ti 3:7 always learning, but never being able to come to a full knowledge of the truth.

God is a whole lot smarter than any of us combined or standing alone.

He is GREAT to reclaim a phrase!

It is difficult to stay the course when all around you are losing theirs, doubting you!

Don't doubt Jesus!

He cannot Lie!

love you guys,
blessings upon your heads and deep within your hearts
michael

David McCrory said...

The Reformers had a very dim view of Islam and understood it's implications. Islam is spread, for the most part, by the edge of the sword and constitutes a diametrically opposed worldview to that of Christianity.

natamllc said...

bobby

taking liberty here I want to ask David a question.

David, have you ever spent time with Sunni and Shia Muslims?

I have.

Are you familiar with the Middle East and Far East languages, Arabic and Aramaic?

I have.

You put forward a WORLDVIEW.

What is your basis for that WORLDVIEW?

michael

David McCrory said...

Michael,

I have spent time trying to reach Muslims with the Gospel for Jesus Christ. I've been to mosques and spoken with various Muslims, mostly Shia, and learn many of their customs and manners. I've learn a little Aramaic. I've studied in some detail the religion of Islam and feel qualified to speak to it's anti-Christian worldview. My former denomination has a ministry especially for trying to reach them. Check it out:

http://www.muslimsletstalk.com/

Why do you ask?

natamllc said...

David

again, with Bobby's permission I proceed hereon his blog!

I have been to a lot of countries, about 30, maybe a couple more.

I have been with many others of other nations here in the USA and some of those countries.

It would be safe to say that the world that lies in the lap of the wicked one is ANTI-CHRISTIAN.

In fact, today, most "Christian" organizations are ANTI-CHRISTIAN.

Would you think your worldview has been influenced by the western cultures?

michael

natamllc said...

Bobby

I went to your Truth Avenger site and tried to make a comment but couldn't. What gives?

Anyway I will post it here for you and Devin:::>

Hey bobby and Devin

how are you guys?

What fun! Don't you work or are you just eating freely?

Some years ago I had the priviledge to live in Geneva, Switzerland. Yes, I lived on a Boat moored in a birth just near the Fountain!

My fellowship, Gospel Outreach even years before that sent out a group of Jesus Freaks to France. They ended up in St. Julien, France, which is a border town just a few miles from Geneva. The couple whose Boat I use to stay on, not that I couldn't stay at their Chateau up on the hillside on the French side, went to Church at John Calvin's first parish. Yes. It was amazing to think that this is where it all began, TULIP.

What most struck me those several Sunday services at John Calvin's parish, where he preached and taught the things of the Lord to who?, was the Pastor and about thirty members of the Church had recently went and stayed in Toronto, Canada to "experience" the Toronto Blessing! WOW.

What was the fruit of that adventure? Well, they got down and loose! The first Sunday I attended, they GROUP presented a CREATIVE SONG of Worship, written and composed by them! I thought I had died and gone to Heaven, the Power and Presence of the Glory of the Holy God so overwhelmed everyone in attendance.

Over the several more Sundays things got hot!

I believe they were REVIVED!

It was wonderful to live there those weeks I got too and to be so blessed to see these rigid cold orthodox souls get loud and loose for Jesus in John Calvin's Church in Geneva, Switzerland.

Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
Act 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

After each service, they had sweet meats and rich Swiss Chocolate and French coffees!

Woo Woo, such is Life when you are willing!

bless you guys and this blog of multiple minds.

michael

Bob said...

Yeah it should be fixed now Michael, I thought I set it to anyone can comment...sorry about that. Oh I copied your comment and put it over there too.

natamllc said...

what happened?

hmmmm

Thanks Bobby, to Truth Avengers' then!

Here's a prayer I hope you will "agree" with me on so Our Heavenly Father agrees with us on, here on earth so it is in heaven?

HERE’S MY PRAYER

DAVID ASKS A QUESTION HERE:::>

20 And what more can thy servant David say to thee? For thou knowest thy servant, O LORD God. 21 For thy word’s sake and according to thine own heart hast thou done all these great things, to make thy servant know them. 22 Therefore thou art great, O LORD God; for there is none like thee, neither is there any God besides thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 23 And is there a nation on the earth like thy people Israel, whom God saved to be a people for himself and to make him a name and to do for him great and notable deeds upon the earth, as he had done in former days for thy people whom thou savedst for thyself out of Egypt, a people whose God thou art?

AND BY MY PRAYERS TODAY I PRAY YOUR ANSWER WILL BE YES LORD!

SAY YES! LORD, AH, IS YOUR ANSWER YES? LORD, YOUR ANSWER,
YES?

4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in our sins, has made us live together with Christ, by whose grace we are saved;
6 And he has raised us up with him, and seated us with him in heaven, through Jesus Christ.

YOU ARE RICH IN MERCY ARE YOU?
MERCY IS WHAT YOU DO TO ME AND FOR ME INSTEAD OF WHAT YOU SHOULD DO TO ME WHICH IS PUNISH ME FOR MY SINS

YOU PUNISHED JESUS CHRIST INSTEAD OF ME LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!!!

12 ¶ Therefore as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on mercy, kindness, gentleness, humbleness of mind, meekness, patience;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another; and if any one has a complaint against his fellow man, just as Christ forgave you, so should you also forgive.
14 And with all these things have love, which is the bond of perfection.

LORD
DAVID’S QUESTION:::>

23 And is there a nation on the earth like thy people Israel, whom God saved to be a people for himself and to make him a name and to do for him great and notable deeds upon the earth, as he had done in former days for thy people whom thou savedst for thyself out of Egypt, a people whose God thou art?

AND YOUR ANSWER IS,

WELL YES, MICHAEL, THERE IS A NATION

OH, THERE IS A NATION LORD, TELL ME ABOUT THIS NATION THEN LORD?

WELL MICHAEL

SEEING YOU HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF MY GLORY EVEN MY GLORY AS A SON OF ADAM
YOU DESERVE PUNISHMENT FOR YOUR SINS

BUT LORD!

YES, YES, MICHAEL
I KNOW
BUT LORD!

YES, YES, MICHAEL
I KNOW

I HAVE DIED IN YOUR STEAD
YOU CAN NOW RECEIVE THE RICHEST BLESSING,

MERCY
GREAT AND ABUNDANT MERCY
YOU CAN AND OTHERS DO
OTHERS HAVE

AND THIS IS MY NATION, THOSE BLEST WITH MERCY

MY NATION ON EARTH TODAY IS MADE UP OF ALL THOSE WHO RECEIVE THE ABUNDANCE OF GRACE AND THE GIFT OF RIGHTEOUSNESS

THESE ARE THEY THAT REIGN IN LIFE THROUGH ME

IT’S BECAUSE OF OUR HEAVENLY FATHER
IT’S BECAUSE OF THE HOLY GHOST
IT’S BECAUSE WE ARE MERCY
PURE, HOLY, MERCY
YES
WE ARE RICH IN MERCY FOR YOU TOO MICHAEL
WE ARE RICH IN MERCY FOR ALL THE SONS OF ADAM MICHAEL
AND THE DAUGHTERS TOO MICHAEL

RICH IN MERCY LORD?

YES, RICH IN MERCY

SO MICHAEL

YES LORD?

WHY WON’T YOU FORGIVE SEEING YOU DESERVE BOTH TEMPORAL AND ETERNAL PUNISHMENTS?

FORGIVE MICHAEL
FORGIVE AND BE BLEST, FILLED UP TO OVERFLOWING WITH MY GRACE, MY MERCY AND MY PEACE AND LET THE GOD OF HOPE FILL YOU TOO WITH JOY AND PEACE IN BELIEVING THAT YOU ABOUND IN HOPE IN THE POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST

FOR OUR GOD, YOUR GOD AND MINE
IS RICH IN MERCY,

RICH IN MERCY

BE FILLED WITH MERCY
ABUNDANT RICH MERCY

AND COME AND BE APART OF MY NATION OF GRACE, MERCY AND PEACE WHICH IS ABOVE ALL NATIONS
EVEN DAVID’S NATION

IN FACT
BE FULL OF MERCY FOR DAVID’S NATION
BE MERCIFUL TO DAVID’S NATION
I AM

I HAVE CHOSEN HIS NATION TO BE A PART OF MY NATION MICHAEL

PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM
PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF ISRAEL
PRAY FOR PEACE TO FILL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD TODAY THAT ARE TURNING AGAINST DAVID’S NATION

PRAY AND I WILL DO JUST AS YOU PRAY AS LONG AS YOUR PRAYERS ARE ACCORDING TO MY WORD AND WILL AND WAY
FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD THAT OUR FATHER IS GLORIFIED IN THE SON

OH YES, MICHAEL
LET’S SING AND DANCE AND SAY

YES LORD YES, TO YOUR WILL AND TO YOUR WAY!

I CAN GET DOWN, MICHAEL, I CAN AND I WILL

LET’S REJOICE
AMEN